H!P fans in LGBT community will shift their favor to Juice=Juice!

ハロプロのｹﾞｲ･オカマ人気はＪＪこと果汁に移ると予想するわ！

27: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:08:39.78 T

どうだろうね
初期℃と似たような感じじゃないの
℃が特別カマ人気が高いって訳でもないし

I don't know. But I think J=J seems kinda similar to C-ute in its early stage, and C-ute hasn't been so popular in okama community.

(HPW note: "Okama" narrowly means transvestite male homosexuals and is a derogatory term for male gay in general which could be translated as "poof" or "queen" in English. Just like "n*gg*r" could be acceptable only when used within Afro-American community, "okama" could sound harmless only when used within Japanese LGBT community.)

28: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:09:17.43 0

℃って一番カマ人気ないんじゃない？

Actually C-ute is the least popular H!P group in okama community, isn't it?

29: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:10:42.97 0

ただパフォーマンス力が高かったりセクシーなだけじゃダメなのよ
内から出て来る様なギラつきがないとオカマは心動かされないの

Just having performance of high quality or just looking sexy is not enough. Only having glaring expressions of the genuine ambition can impress gay people.

31: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:11:57.96 0

大塚　高木　宮本はぎらついてるわね

I think Otsuka, Takagi and Miyamoto are expressing themselves glaringly with ambitions.

14: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 00:52:26.13 0

猿界のプリンセスことさゆべぇがすごくいいわぁｗ

I love Sayubee aka the Princess of Apes soooo much!

3: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 00:39:51.36 0

今のところｹﾞｲ人気は
大塚＞高木＞かりん＞その他って感じだわね

The LGBT community's favorite order of Juice=Juice members so far would be Otsuka, Takagi, Karin and the others.

8: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 00:43:48.09 0

ｹﾞｲの好物ステージに上ると輝くﾌﾞｽが二人もいるって強みだわ

Having two uglies who glitter on stages, the gay's favorite, in the group will be its strong point.

99: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 03:01:07.49 0

高木さんと大塚さんはわかりやすいギラブスだけど
ちゃんさんも相当作り込んでくるタイプでギラギラしてるわねｗ

Takagi-san and Otsuka-san are obviously glaring uglies, and Chan-san is also a glaring one who elaborates too much on everything.

41: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:20:36.36 0

ゲイの自分は断然金澤朋子に注目してる
この得体のしれない雰囲気と大物感
スタイルがあまり良くないところに惹かれる

I myself, as a gay, have kept my eyes exclusively on Kanazawa Tomoko. Her mysterious atmosphere which makes me expect she's a big-shot and her not-so-good figure attract me.

44: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:22:29.89 0

かなともは来るだろうなぁ
出世の早さ異常だし期待されてるんだろうな

I bet kntm will emerge. I can tell it by her exceptionally rapid promotion which indicates how much the Agency expects of her.

49: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:24:18.02 0

高２の年増のくせにビッチ感を完全封印しようと試みてる
そこにものすごい執念を感じるの
相当野心的な女だと見てる

She's been trying to conceal her own slutty atmosphere completely despite being an aged second year high-school student. I can see her extraordinary obsession on it. I consider her quite an ambitious bitch.

50: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:24:51.00 0

>>49
ｗｗｗｗｗｗ
わかるわｗｗうっけるｗ

I know what you mean. LOL

102: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 03:05:12.61 0

ギラブストリオに美人だけどビッチ臭が隠せない金澤さんと目が離せないわｗ

I can't take my eyes off of the group having the glaring ugly trio and Kanazawa the beautiful bitch.

52: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:25:31.87 0

かなともがこれから処女っぽくなっていく姿はオカマの注目あびそうねｗ

Okamas would keep paying attentions to how kntm's gonna turn virgin-like from now on.

54: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:26:36.24 0

ドルヲタだっただけに清純派の旨味がわかってるんでしょうね
嫌いじゃないわ

She must have known how beneficial to be an innocent type, since she was an idol wota.

(HPW note: Many wotas consider Kanazawa used to be a fangirl for idol groups such as C-ute and Fairies.)

82: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 02:01:55.68 0

85: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 02:04:06.01 0

>>82
自分がハロメンだったなら絶対に迷わずこの髪型にしてたわ
どういう女がヲタに好かれるか完璧に心得てる
恐ろしい女・・・

If I was a H!P member I'd definitely choose that hairdo for myself. She knows exactly what kind of girl will be preferred by wotas. How formidable she is...

47: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:23:58.73 0

あたしはカリンね
ポージングや表情がわざとらし過ぎるくらい徹底してる所がいいわ
まぁガタメキラの頃から応援してるからっていうのもあるけど
さゆべぇも中々良いと思うわ
不細工だけど有能なのがいいわねw
使えるブスっていうのがミソよ

I'll buy Karin. I love her for elaborating her facial expressions and posings in that extremely unnatural way. Well, I know I'm totally biased as I've been supporting her since she performed Gatamekira. And I think Sayubee has been doing good as well. I like her capability despite her plain face. She's the competent dog, and that's the point.

(HPW note: At H!P Winter Concert 2011 Miyamoto Karin performed Gatamekira, the 2nd single of Taiyo & Ciscomoon, as Shin-Minimoni with Fukuda Kanon and Takeuchi Akari and it made her name known widely to H!P wotas.)

53: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:26:27.82 0

> わざとらし過ぎるくらい徹底してる所
これよこれ！！オカマがすきなのよこれ！！

聖子も明菜もこれなのよ

>elaborating her facial expressions and posings in that extremely unnatural way

That's it!! That's what Okama will be fond of!! Seiko and Akina did it the same way.

(HPW note: Matsuda Seiko and Nakamori Akina are both legendary female idols in the 80s.)

58: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:30:05.01 0

>>53
聖子はアイドルって物がプログラムされてるアイドルサイボーグ
明菜は曲の時にその世界観を身体に落とし込むイタコ型で
似て非なるものよ
カリンは前者に近いわね

Seiko was a kind of cyborg programmed to play idols, on the other hand Akina was rather a medium could be possessed by muses at each songs. They're totally different although they could look alike. And Karin would be more like Seiko.

Matsuda Seiko / Kiss in Blue Heaven

59: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:30:06.41 0

カリンは母の影響で聖子をよく聞いてて歌にも取り入れてるらしいから
聖子を目標にしてるのかもしれないわね

Karin might take Seiko as a role model. I've heard Karin often listens to and learns from Seiko's singings through the influence of Karin's mother.

4: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 00:40:51.55 0

ＰＶみて思ったけど
かりんちゃんさんって顔の表情の作り方オカマよねｗ

As I've realized watching the PV, Karin-chan-san makes her facial expressions the way poofs would do.

101: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 03:02:30.83 0

作りこみが一番すごいのがちゃんさんだったわねｗ
一人だけPVのベテランみたいだもの

It was Chan-san who elaborated on making facial expressions the most just like the only expert in the PV.

155: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:51:00.84 0

ちゃんさんの作り込み系は昭和のプロアイドルに通ずるものがあるわね
そしてそれがオカマ心を刺激するわｗ

Chan-san's elaborated expressions remind us of those professional idols in Showa Era, and it strikes a chord in the hearts of okamas.

22: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:00:23.70 0

あたし昔かりんちゃん気持ち悪いと思ってたけど
今はオカマみたいですきよ
純情ぶった小ざかしいカマみたいでいいわ

I used to regard Karin-chan a bit creepy, but now I like how she's doing it like a poof, a sly poof playing innocent.

57: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:28:03.99 0

かなともとかりんは自身がオカマなのよね
オカマだったらこういう風にしたいっていう具現をしてくれてるわ

Kntm and Karin themselves are okamas in a sense. They embody what we poofs want to be like if we're idols.

62: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:32:33.46 0

>>57
それだわw
アタシがMV撮ってもらうシチュエーションを想像したとき
想像上のアタシと表情やポージングが近いかなって思うのがちゃんさんだものww

That's right. Chan-san has as exactly the same kind of facial expressions and posings as I'd fantasize I would have if I was at PV shootings.

71: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:48:48.42 0

74: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 01:52:52.31 0

>>71
スカート上げた後自分に注目集まるのわかってるかおねｗ　いいあわぁ

Fabulous! She knows she can attract the audience's attention by letting her skirt sliding up.

107: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 11:22:30.83 0

ちゃんさんって一時期のなっち並みに目の奥が暗いのよね

The gloom I can see in the depth of Chan-san's eyes reminds me of Nacchi in a period in the past.

108: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 11:42:32.51 i

心が読み取れない！

I can't read her mind at all!

121: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 18:19:18.12 0

ノンケのカリン党スレでは叩かれそうなので遠慮してたけど
このスレだとかりんのサイボーグぶりについて語ってもよさそうだｗ

I'm happy to be able to talk over Karin's cyborg-like behavior finally here on this thread, because I hesitated to mention it being afraid of getting bashed by a bunch of heterosexual Karin biased on other threads.

123: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 18:26:45.01 0

ノンケはあれがカリンの自然体だって息巻いてくるのよね

Heterosexuals would claim those Karin's behaviors are undeliberate.

124: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 18:31:50.86 i

自然と計算された動きしてるならわかるけど
ものすごく男のファンの好みを研究してるでしょw

I might agree if they claimed Karin doing those deliberate movements automatically. I think everybody must have known how much Karin researches male wota's preference.

131: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:10:09.82 i

ベテランらしく慣れない感じでやります！
おかまの極意よね

Experts will do their things just like beginners do. This is the innermost secret of being okama.

134: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:14:28.69 0

ちゃんさんのあざとさはノンケヲタにはまだ気付かれてないのかしら

Heterosexual wotas haven't been aware of Chan-san's artificial manners yet?

135: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:20:21.04 i

あざといけど
夢があるのよね
野望をファンと共有したいって感じ好き

She's artificial indeed but also promising. I like the way Karin shares her ambition with her fans.

141: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:27:48.99 0

>>135
そういうの松浦と同じね
でノンケも分かっててそのうえで応援してんじゃないのかしら

That reminds me of the relationship between Matsuura and her fans. I suppose heterosexuals support Karin knowing all her intentions.

144: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:38:31.56 0

あやや的なやらされてるイメージや
何よりアイドル性とは真逆だった地の悪さとかも無いと思うのよ
カリンの場合好き好んでやってるっていうかね

Karin doesn't have the bad images once Ayaya was said to have, like being manipulated or concealing her true mean nature which is totally not suitable for idols. Karin seems to be doing everything of her own will.

147: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:41:41.52 0

そういう事じゃないの
アイドルを演じるって言うのは内面が男なのよ
カリンの男の部分の自分が憧れる女の姿っていうものがあたし達とリンクするの

What I wanted to mean is, playing an idol is essentially similar to holding a manliness inside. Karin's inner masculinity longing for feminity makes us empathize with her.

149: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:42:50.61 0

あ！カリン見てるとごくたまに男っぽく感じるw

That makes sense. I can sometimes notice some manliness in Karin.

151: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:43:34.19 i

>>147
わかるわ！！
そしてそれが聖子そっくりなのよ！！！！

I know what you mean!! And that's why Karin reminds me of Seiko!!!!

153: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:46:10.96 i

ほんとちゃんさんは漢気アイドルよ！

Chan-san is really a manly idol!

156: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:51:09.68 i

そーいえば初期の娘も漢気のある女たちだったわね

Now that you say it, the Morning Musume members of the early days were also the girls having manly guts.

157: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:53:54.19 0

マドンナにも通じる部分があるかしら

Does it have something in common with Madonna?

158: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:54:53.88 i

あるわー
女が必要以上に女らしさをコントロールしだしたらオカマはピンとくるわ

It does. We okamas will know it as soon as a woman starts to emphasize her femininity too much.

160: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 23:12:01.71 0

あざといちゃんさんとギラブスさゆべぇがメインなんてつんくったらオカマ受け狙ってるのかしら

Tsunku might be conscious of LGBT market for he put Karin the Artificial and Sayubee the Glaring Ugly in the center.

161: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 23:14:29.33 0

>>160
狙ってるっていうか
そもそもつん子がオカマなのよ？

What are you talking about? Tsunku is the poof, to begin with.

162: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 23:36:32.61 0

分かるわぁ
アイドルサイボーグの子を贔屓しないのは同属嫌悪よね

Agree. Why Tsunku doesn't favor Karin can be explained by similar people tend to hate each other.

191: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/02(火) 23:29:15.26 0

つんくはちゃんさんみたいなセルフプロデュースがしっかりしてる子はあまり好まないイメージだったから
J=Jで素直にエース待遇にしてるのは意外だったわ
あえてピンクから外すところは底意地の悪さを感じたけどｗ

I was bit surprised to know Tsunk had put Karin in the center of J=J, since I thought he wouldn't like exhibitionists like Chan-san. Although he was being mean enough not to give her pink as her color theme.

206: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/03(水) 14:59:07.38 0

狼で一番まともなスレじゃねーかｗ

I didn't expect this thread would turn out to be the most straight one all over Ookami.

(HPW note: I always respect the LGBT community for adding some unique aspects to H!P fandom which other idol group fandoms rarely have. They can give me brand new viewpoints to look into Japanese idol culture as well.)

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